<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post8643789452659604872..comments</id><updated>2008-07-17T13:48:31.878-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on INTANGIBLE MATERIALITY: The Dragons of Ufology.</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/feeds/8643789452659604872/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html'/><author><name>Bruce Duensing</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06770861553045757360</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>6</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-2544345470218348083</id><published>2008-07-17T13:48:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-17T13:48:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>This is one of the most fascinating comments I hav...</title><content type='html'>This is one of the most fascinating comments I have received and I must tell you that I read it after posting a much delayed piece that is based on a overnight decline into a serious illness after posting the piece you referred to, whose onset was marked by the arrival of two "goddesses" in a dream...who were attempting to create a "king" whose entire physiology was created from the efforts of others to discern the nature of reality. In my own mind, this is directly related to your comment as a synchronism of a mutual although somewhat differing symbology which in of itself is fascinating... This latest piece puts some difficult cards on the table...does all this reflect a Faustian transaction we have made with an invisible world? How do we valuate what we have paid for?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/2544345470218348083'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/2544345470218348083'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html?showComment=1216320480000#c2544345470218348083' title=''/><author><name>Bruce Duensing</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06770861553045757360</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='12682861475713738552'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8643789452659604872' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/posts/default/8643789452659604872' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-7187288241617083028</id><published>2008-07-17T10:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-17T10:47:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Bruce, I hope all is well with you.  I'm a little ...</title><content type='html'>Bruce, I hope all is well with you.  I'm a little concerned since we haven't seen the likes of you in 17 days and I for one know that the timeframe is larger than ever before so I thought I would check in on you.  And, I'm sorry for the very long comment here but I have a 'nut' about some things and feel very compelled to respond thoroughly.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I find biblical literature (especially prophecy) to be only metaphors or symbolism that will 'always' fit the times and all cultures. And I don't mean a time that predates biblical text but rather all dates that came after 90AD.  One will always be able to match 'this with that' because that was the intention of the writer.  That was its design and such symbolism has always, in some fashion, worked for man's history as time goes by.  If John existed and did receive his vision, it would have been built upon previous memories of his own.  This would be the various things that he had learned by word of mouth or read beforehand.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My major point is this however.  The existence of the dragon is older than all religious text.  Most think that the dragon dates back to the Shang Dynasty (1600- 1100 BC), however, archaeologists have now found the dragon to be considerably older than that.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I once researched jade since it is my hobby to make fine jewelry, and I am a big history buff.  Upon reading, I discovered that in 2003, archaeologists found a carved jade dragon in the Hongshan ruins at Niuheliang, Liaoning Province.  The Hongshan tribes lived in the Liaohe River Valley 5,000 to 6,000 years ago.  Thus far, that is the oldest known dragon in existence and it's in China.  The Hongshan ruins themselves are 6,000 and 8,000 years old and the archaeologist believe that the dragon culture of the Liaohe River Valley dates back at least 5,000 years. (3000 BC)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Consequently, in 90AD one cannot have a dragon in their vision or dream unless they already knew that they existed so that they could give it a name in order to put it to paper, stone or rather papyrus be it the case.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The dragon stands as a symbol of auspiciousness and wisdom.  In mythology, it was a messenger between humans and gods and a bearer of blessings from heaven to earth.  If it existed in mythology it certainly predates biblical text and it was probably how John knew of dragons.  I've always felt anyway that mythology was a precursor to religious text.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Laws were not fully accepted yet by all people on all lands but fear certainly was, which is why I feel that mythology was a precursor to what would eventually come (religious text) 'after' laws were common place, which is what early biblical text is all about.  Of course in regard to law makers, that would be Hammurabi in 1792BC, pre Abraham.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'm going to go off the beaten path somewhat in order to put a little more (but different) emphasis on this.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The Hongshan tribe (first dragon) had a flood story similar to that of Noah but many, many years before biblical accounts.  And, there are new accounts as to the dates of Gilgamesh.  Even so, from older accounts, Gilgamesh was written (2750 and 2500 BC), which would be 1,160 to 1,410 years before Moses spoke about the flood and between 500 to 750 years before Abraham was born. So as you see, there really are no answers to anything of a symbolic biblical nature, only guesses.   Moses already knew of the flood due to the writings of Gilgamesh.  I believe he was hand fed certainly during his walk through the desert but who ever was speaking was working with what Moses already knew.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don't even know why I mentioned Abraham because just as we were raised on Superman, in Ur, Abraham was raised on the Enuma Elish.  That was Abraham's creation story while growing up and not the one Moses tells.   Of course Abraham is asked to put those things away but he must in order to change the story since mythology is soon to be put to sleep - as planned.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is more than suspected that the great flood was the result of the Bosphorus breaking, creating what we now know to be the Black Sea.  Any people living on those plains at the time would have witnessed what must have seemed like the wrath of an angry god. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Based on the still northern flowing undercurrents of what we call the Bosporus Straits, it is estimated that the water rushed northward through this channel with force many times greater than the Niagara Falls.  Hence, out comes Gilgamesh's writing instrument.  Large numbers survived that flood, which can be seen in the following excerpt from an abstract.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Abstract&lt;BR/&gt;“At this time (7,550 calendar years BP), farming, which had already been established in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and along the coast of the Marmara Sea (Özdagan, 1983; van Andel and Runnels, 1995), spread rapidly inland along the major river valleys of southeastern Europe (Greg, 1988; Hodder, 1990). The light plow and simple irrigation appear abruptly in the Transcaucasus (Glumac and Anthony, 1991).&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Such "wave-of-advance" population movements (Sokal, Oden et al., 1991) could have been induced by the permanent expulsion of inhabitants which had adapted to the natural resources of the formerly-emerged Black Sea peripherynamely, its arable loss, alluvial soil, and the moist loam of the freshly exposed bed of its shrinking shoreline. Such things were discovered after flood models were made.”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The emphasis of course is put on the comment, “The light plow and simple irrigation appear abruptly”.  In other words, those writing the abstract feel that these were the people from the area of what is now the Black Sea that had survived.  More importantly, if Noah existed, how did Noah know to get out of Dodge?  Who knew beforehand (had the technology or knowledge to recognize) that the Bosporus was about to break and kill multitudes.  Or was it just a story?  Or, was it a story purposely and actually created in order to carry something else forward - like a belief.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;In regard to 'messenger between humans and gods', I'm going to share with you one of my 'very' awake state visions that I had about a dragon.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Over the years I've seen many things in respect to visions while awake. Also, over these years, I have asked of certain things of ‘those’ that give me the visions and I receive answers. In the process of doing so, I am given mental pictures in the form of a movie on Super 8 film as answers.  And I mean just like Super 8 film.  The vision rolls just like a small film on a small theater screen.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Anyway, a few years ago, I asked the question "Has what is going to happen here ever happened before and if so, how it was performed?”&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A few days later in a vision while awake I saw a screen, like a theater screen but it was enormous. It sat high in the sky about fifty feet off the ground. The height of the screen was probably around 300 feet high and the width was many, many blocks long, maybe even longer because I couldn’t really tell.  I immediately ‘felt’ someone 'tell' me that it was a hologram.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Upon the screen I could see many people going about their daily lives, however their actions in the pictures on the screen changed suddenly to that of people (men predominantly) committing murder, rape, raping children, cheating, stealing, plundering innocent peoples homes and other heinous acts. There were no happy moments on this theater screen.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Below the screen on the ground were thousands of Chinese in ancient dress. I did not know the time but by the clothing they were wearing it was at least a few thousand years ago.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;These people on the ground were running, crying, screaming and literally tearing their hair out as if experiencing madness, literal madness. Men were on the ground on their stomachs screaming and pounding the ground with their hands. Others were looking in awe at all the wrong doings performed by their people in those times.  It was more than heinous.  I don't even think there is a word in the dictionary that can describe the acts and how numerous they were.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I had another thought thrown into my mind that told me that this was a time of Goddesses and not Gods, which is how I came up with an approximate timeframe.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This vision was cut short at that point because my question was answered and it was tremendously bothersome anyway. I could tell (feel, sense) that there were further things that they did not want me to see, such as suicide.  The vision was very interesting to say the least but I’ve had greater ones since.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Okay, so now the vision is over and I dwell on it for a very, very long time and look for all of the things in my mind that I hadn't yet thought about in regard to who, what, when, where and why.  When "I" think, I get help and subliminal thought rolls in like a faucet just turned on.  I get a lot of that through the day as well. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The when and the where I already mentioned in the vision.  The thought of Goddesses already within their culture of beliefs would have been the tool used since those being punished by their own madness would have been the scoffers of such previously, where as those who looked on in awe would have been the believers and most likely living a life expected of the Goddesses.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The 'who' would have been the ones who had the technology to perform a hologram?  For me that's a gimme.  The 'what' would have been the exorbitant amount of heinous acts that had to cease.  The 'why' would have been the change that takes place after the hologram is turned off.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My last subliminal thought was this.  The problems were too great and too numerous and the people who needed to rid themselves of such problems were too small.  Sounds like earth today, doesn't it?  Our problems are too big, too numerous and we're all too small and one on one we have little to no power.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Before I forget I must mention something of great importance that is also very comical.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Just prior to mythology falling off the map for a time, did you know that upon Abraham's arrival to the promise land, that they had two weather gods?  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Isn't that just like humans to create a new god.  Can you imagine one tribe asking for rain for their crops and another tribe next door 60 miles away asking for no rain because their crops are flooding?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The answer to what they got is simple, they got whatever was going to happen anyway.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/7187288241617083028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/7187288241617083028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html?showComment=1216309620000#c7187288241617083028' title=''/><author><name>Alien Contactee</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17754487232993372983</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8643789452659604872' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/posts/default/8643789452659604872' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-1197798957935297166</id><published>2008-07-09T00:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-09T00:16:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Hello Bruce,Want some help understanding the symbo...</title><content type='html'>Hello Bruce,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Want some help understanding the symbology of the ancients? Dragons and shadows had and still have very specific meanings in this context.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Pay close attention, profundity knocks at the door, listen for the key. Be Aware! Scoffing causes blindness...&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There is comprehensive proof that the symbolism of many ancient texts, canons, and concepts is an advanced and extremely ancient spiritual &amp; philosophical technology that predates all extant religions and mystery schools. Consequently, here is proof, beyond disproof, that all three so-called "Faiths of Abraham" are purposeful deceptions. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;A HREF="http://twocandlesticks.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow"&gt;Here is Wisdom...&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Peace...</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/1197798957935297166'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/1197798957935297166'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html?showComment=1215580560000#c1197798957935297166' title=''/><author><name>Seven Star Hand</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15707393570093417590</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8643789452659604872' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/posts/default/8643789452659604872' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8289299444597557246</id><published>2008-07-04T02:22:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-04T02:22:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>This reminds me of a story in which a man who was ...</title><content type='html'>This reminds me of a story in which a man who was searching for direction concluded that the best way to reach his destination was to follow his own shadow, keeping it directly in front of him.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Unfortunately by the end of the day that man discovered that he had only gone in a circle.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;The man was later heard to exclaim "the shadows that I was following were indeed just shadows."&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On his next journey the man took with him a compass as he had heard this would take him in a straight line and he ignored the shadows.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;He was later found out in the desert burned by the sun - half-dead - with the compass in his hand.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Onlookers were heard to say "he would have been better off following his own shadow"  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;"if only he hadn't ignored the shadows and taken refuge from the sun."&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Perhaps if the man knew where he was going he would have been better prepared - he may even have just stayed home.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have tried following the shadows and while in the desert was burned badly by the sun. I was very lucky to find my way back home.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My experience since I have returned home - sharpening and testing my sword in preparation for my next journey - is that the desert will eventually come to you even if you try to avoid it - as succession is the natural progression of this place.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;So I would encourage those of you who are at home - sword sharpening  and book writing - to use only the finest tools available and avoid the use of cotton candy and invisible ink. And stay out of the sun while you can.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Excellent Blog Bruce&lt;BR/&gt;Mark</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/8289299444597557246'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/8289299444597557246'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html?showComment=1215156120000#c8289299444597557246' title=''/><author><name>Mark</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13922115797922801471</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8643789452659604872' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/posts/default/8643789452659604872' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-5182715689132432000</id><published>2008-07-03T11:29:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-03T11:29:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>I agree that we are more than a decorative motif o...</title><content type='html'>I agree that we are more than a decorative motif or an alabaster jar the ideal state we desire is what we do not recognize, and fail to heed.I suppose St George would tell us a sword is not a sword until it is used as one...it makes a very poor book.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/5182715689132432000'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/5182715689132432000'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html?showComment=1215102540000#c5182715689132432000' title=''/><author><name>Bruce Duensing</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06770861553045757360</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='12682861475713738552'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8643789452659604872' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/posts/default/8643789452659604872' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-1272973761262488736</id><published>2008-07-02T05:27:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2008-07-02T05:27:00.000-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The last two sentences contain the most important ...</title><content type='html'>The last two sentences contain the most important of all questions.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Wisdom teaching, ancient and modern, suggests we're to consider taking things as they are and sublimating desire.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Current western science teaching suggests we're to concentrate on observable phenomena and sublimate our desire for the non-material.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thanks to your explanatory notes, I'm slowly understanding that it's not so much about progressing towards an ideal state, having achieved wisdom and a higher vantage point from where we'll understand and see everything. (An ideal state of being having manifested itself.)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Heeding connections, including digressions and diversions, is that state.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/1272973761262488736'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/8643789452659604872/comments/default/1272973761262488736'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html?showComment=1214994420000#c1272973761262488736' title=''/><author><name>Neil</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08460526092020677291</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2008/07/dragons-of-ufology.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-265755741103433939.post-8643789452659604872' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/265755741103433939/posts/default/8643789452659604872' type='text/html'/></entry></feed>